tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post2028474738950841499..comments2024-03-19T23:05:52.136-07:00Comments on AMDFX: Battle of the Ultrathins Round 2 : Gaming BenchmarksUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-88684110455657937222013-07-09T02:51:44.153-07:002013-07-09T02:51:44.153-07:00I haven't compiled the Linux Kernel in a long ...I haven't compiled the Linux Kernel in a long time. Last Time I did that was to Install Gentoo Linux. Because Intel doesn't need to offload to the GPU because their CPU's don't suck like AMD's do. Really I didn't know that about IBM. I know what make is though. Really I would like to see those numbers?jml12https://www.blogger.com/profile/16629044294592922864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-79580399191757752112013-07-08T18:39:44.482-07:002013-07-08T18:39:44.482-07:00I hadn't noticed the "Sucky Drivers"...I hadn't noticed the "Sucky Drivers" issue. Even then, have you tried making linux for a machine? The driver issue can be overlooked if you *make linux for the machine.<br /><br />At least you got the animal farm reference.<br /><br />My point was that AMD is doing GPU offloading and Intel isn't, because AMD has good GPUs to offload to and intel doesn't. And the issues with memory and timing can only be solved by HSA/HUMA. Logic (non-parallel) is done on CPU, maths on GPU. Gives you a big advantage, CPU no longer has to waste cycles on math.<br /><br />Advantage AMD<br /><br /><br /><br />IBM<br />OWNS<br />COMPUTING<br /><br />They have patents on the processes, patents on the technology behind the manufacturing process, patents on the components that make up the processors and patents on processor design. Intel/AMD pays them money to use such patents. <br /><br />If IBM decide to refuse that money and not allow intel to use those devices, intel CANNOT MANUFACTURE one more chip without doing something illegal.<br /><br />IBM Doesn't do that because they get far more money by charging for the use of the patent that sueing someone over the use of it.<br /><br />*Make means that your machine compiles the linux kernel for itself. You can get double digit percent increases in performance in most things by doing this, regardless of what processor you use. The increase is, funnily enough, bigger on AMD machines than intel machines. When I get the chance I'll make ubuntu 12.04 for both my computer and the 3770k computer and then post the blender results.Robots rockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392348280851835490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-13405360158820452222013-07-08T06:02:16.064-07:002013-07-08T06:02:16.064-07:00No you're Wrong Intel can't be beat and AM...No you're Wrong Intel can't be beat and AMD's Sucky Linux Drivers really make it A NO GO option for me. I have read animal farm and it was an interesting book back in high school. Sure the GPU is faster than the CPU at math but it can't replace the CPU in non-parallel tasks. OpenCL won't work well under Linux if AMD keeps neglecting their Linux Drivers. What could IBM do to take down the ALMIGHTY INTEL? If AMD can't take Intel down who can? jml12https://www.blogger.com/profile/16629044294592922864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-90255304948241905872013-07-08T02:44:51.232-07:002013-07-08T02:44:51.232-07:00Jeez, do you even read what I said?
FIREPRO - Def...Jeez, do you even read what I said?<br /><br />FIREPRO - Defining Factor of 3000MFlop/Watt Supercomputer. AMD card.<br /><br />I run linux, no discernible difference on blender (remember, I use blender a lot so it is the defining factor for me), maybe a few seconds over an hour.<br /><br />HSA and HUMA allow CPU and GPU to use the same memory.<br />Have you ever programmed anything that uses both a GPU and CPU?<br />Do you know how much time can be saved and therefore how much computing power can be unleashed when you remove a transfer bottleneck? a ridiculous amount. Once they finish the offloading of calculation from CPU to GPU, HSA will allow an enormous increase in math capabilities. In any number crunching, Fusion APUs will be more powerful than a Xeon. I said it. Simply put, GPU Crushes any CPU in pure number crunching. the final incarnation of fusion will allow the CPU to use GPU offloading to do maths. <br /><br />mmmmmmm delicious bacon<br /><br />I have said before, My 8 cores/8 Threads machine handles the blender load better than a 4 core/8 thread 3770k. Not much better, but better. I would say a $200 CPU beating a $350 CPU is a win. Once OpenCL rendering is in blender, CPU choice is irrelevant. My 8350 will not bottleneck a single card, regardless of card. dual cards maybe, but not one.<br /><br /><br />I can take down intel. All I have to do is buy something else.<br /><br />To say nothing of a group of companies who are leaders in their respective markets (top 3, most of them).<br /><br />Not to mention IBM, who could probably take down intel within an hour. (after the contracts run out. IBM wouldn't unless intel was doing something stupid or evil, but the point still stands.)<br /><br />The development communities can take down intel.<br /><br />Pretty much anyone could take down intel, but no-one does. No one will take down the napoleon of the farmyard, because he gives us food, and sustenance, and even though it seems dull, it is far better than that which snowball could have given <br /><br />oh, sorry, forgot not to draw parallels between monopolies and socialist dictatorships.<br />Have a nice day!<br />Robots rockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392348280851835490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-85423704469747365962013-07-08T01:23:19.479-07:002013-07-08T01:23:19.479-07:00Nope Intel and NVIDIA RULE supercomputers AMD HAS ...Nope Intel and NVIDIA RULE supercomputers AMD HAS NO CHANCE!!!!! Intel and Nvidia rock out loud especially for Linux where AMD SUCKS HARD!!!!! Wrong Intel is focusing on mobile and it will FRY AMD BACON TO A CRISP!!!!! HSA and HUMA are just fads made up by AMD to trick people into buying THEIR SUCKY PROCESSORS!!!! AMD does NOT OWN in rendering INTEL DOES and they use less power to do it. Intel's 4 cores are far better than AMD SHITTY 8 CORES!!!! Wrong The Best is Intel Xeon/Intel Phi. Intel rules AMD SUCKS ASS!!!! No ONE CAN TAKE DOWN THE ALMIGHTY INTEL!!!!!!jml12https://www.blogger.com/profile/16629044294592922864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-13553242654645694762013-07-07T17:58:47.800-07:002013-07-07T17:58:47.800-07:00DID YOU EVEN NOTICE that I did in fact say that th...DID YOU EVEN NOTICE that I did in fact say that the Titan contains k20 cards? you, know, nvidia compute boards? The powerful ones?<br /><br />My point was that the top supercomputers all have an AMD component or have custom components. Most energy efficient uses Xeons and Firepros.Observation of other supercomputers leads to the conclusion that the Firepros are the things that increase the efficiency. <br />Firepros push systems to 3000mflops/watt, <br />k20 systems are stuck at 2000mflops/watt<br />Look at the top 500 (all you have to do is google "top 500" and get their lists)<br />Most efficient is xeon e5 + AMD Firepro<br /><br />Instructions/cycle*cores is what matters to me. I do realise that intel is better on the Instructions/cycle, but their cores/threads don't scale as well. I render stuff. AMD utterly owns intel for price/performance here. Even the mighty 3770k falls before my FX-8350. <br /><br />I do want a 3970x though. That'd be awesome.<br /><br />|||Warning - Poker Metaphor ahead|||<br /><br />AMD cards are easily as good as and usually (when settings and resolutions increase) better than nvidia (7970 > 680 > 7950 > 670 > 660 > 7870 > 7850 etc), but nvidia holds the cards of both CUDA and Physx. <br /><br />Owning a FX-8350 makes it sooooooo much easier to go for an AMD GPU because you have processor resources to spare or Physx. Install the patch, boom, your 2 core/4 core/whatever core game is now able to run with physx.<br /><br />OpenCL is the CUDA Killer, with better performance on the same GPUs. CUDA can still handle larger programs than OpenCL, but with more improvements, what started off as Intel's card through apple may just come back to kill both nvidia and intel.<br /><br /><br />HSA and HUMA will allow massive leaps in OpenCL power on AMD Machines. Leaps large enough that AMD might just end up on top, especially if things get coded for OpenCL more, which will probably happen due to the fact that it runs on everything. (in the same way that the Linux kernel runs on the majority of *computers, due to it's ability to run on the majority of computers.)<br /><br />AMD's Bacon is most probably not cooked.<br />Given that there is a large group of companies that are trying to bring down Intel and Nvidia by working together, (ARM, Samsung, Via, Qualcomm, AMD, Texas Instruments) and given AMD's and ARM's business deal thing with the use of each other's tech to do stuff better, it is in ARM's best interest to acquire or loan money to AMD to prevent the loss of one of the biggest companies in that consortium.<br /><br />Don't get angry at us if darth intel gets removed from his seat because the rebels are too inventive and too numerous.<br /><br /><br />*Note that by computers I mean laptops + desktops + servers + supercomputers + (the big one) PhonesRobots rockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392348280851835490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-75864486860795518002013-07-03T00:03:31.443-07:002013-07-03T00:03:31.443-07:00Wrong again CHUMP: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/ot...Wrong again CHUMP: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20130701184816_Nvidia_Tesla_Powers_World_s_Most_Energy_Efficient_Supercomputer.html. And you want to know the BEST PART NO AMD!!!! That's impossible you can't run PPC on x86. Higher IPC is better NOT MORE CORES which is useless to me and only good in supercomputers where AMD is FAR OUTCLASSED BY NVIDIA!!! Intel ROCKS OUT LOUD AND AMD SUCKS OUT LOUD!!!! PCSX2 barely has quad core support and Dolphin only has DUAL core surport SO INTEL's HIGH IPC is far better THAN EVERYTHING AMD's GOT for me and most people who need great CPU performance. No AMD's BACON IS COOKED THEY are FINISHED!!!!! AMD can't STOP SUCKING!!!! jml12https://www.blogger.com/profile/16629044294592922864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-23744379926219458532013-07-02T19:57:55.700-07:002013-07-02T19:57:55.700-07:00"But the FX series WILL NEVER MATCH haswell i..."But the FX series WILL NEVER MATCH haswell in power usage or performance per watt. Wrong supercomputer are based on Xeon Phi because AMD can't even come close to INTEL'S ALMIGHTY AWESOMENESS!!!!!"<br /><br />http://www.top500.org/lists/2013/06/<br />Titan - Opteron 6274 and K20 cards<br />2.143 GFLOPS/watt<br /><br />most efficient on the 2013 list? 2.973 GFLOPS/Watt, with Xeon E5 and...<br />wait for it....<br /><br />ATi Firepro cards....<br /><br /><br />Surprisingly, the most efficient systems have either an AMD component or Custom components<br /><br />Titan, after which NVidia's favourite card is named, uses Opterons and is one of the most power efficient on the list.<br /><br />Tiahne 2 uses Xeon E5s as well, and is below the 2000 gflop/w mark.<br /><br />"Intel haswell rocks for mobile and AMD's FX and Jaguar SUCK SO MUCH ASRE that AMD IS FINISHED!!!"<br /><br />when did I even mention mobile (then again, this is called battle of the ultrathins...)<br />What is asre? Is it a type of drink that makes your chip designs pretty decent and competitive even a node or two behind with much less money?<br /><br /><br />"PS2 and GC emulation can."<br /><br />Play station and game console?<br /><br />Well, depends on oh wait, what's that?<br />current gen (ps3/xbox 360) used a number of cores?<br /><br />If you use an emulator that supports multiple cores, you're fine.<br />Better yet, why don't you hack your computer to support the xbox OS or the PS3 OS? you can do that. Or, for that matter, do away with your PC, and install linux on a PS3. (that is a joke.)<br /><br /><br />"Higher IPC IS BETTER"<br />[sarc]No, really? I thought it should be lower![/sarc]<br /><br /><br />"but AMD would have none of that they just wanted to shove their CRAPPY server chips down everyone's Throat and it backfired BIG TIME"<br /><br />AMD server chips are more effective than intel chips in some situations. you know, in server situations? the ones that make use of more cores better than threads? Apart from game hosting, I can't really think of a situation where less cores at faster is really helpful. More cores = more parallel operations. Servers = built for parallel operations....<br /><br />You don't need bigger IPC if the cores you added are more effective that increasing IPC. The performance/power of these chips is pretty well even or better than xeons.<br /><br /><br />Robots rockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392348280851835490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-72751635410863629932013-07-02T14:56:02.405-07:002013-07-02T14:56:02.405-07:00But the FX series WILL NEVER MATCH haswell in powe...But the FX series WILL NEVER MATCH haswell in power usage or performance per watt. Wrong supercomputer are based on Xeon Phi because AMD can't even come close to INTEL'S ALMIGHTY AWESOMENESS!!!!! Intel haswell rocks for mobile and AMD's FX and Jaguar SUCK SO MUCH ASRE that AMD IS FINISHED!!! And Kaveri will be the FINISHING BLOW TO AMD!!!!! DIE AMD DIE!!!!! PS2 and GC emulation can. Higher IPC IS BETTER but AMD would have none of that they just wanted to shove their CRAPPY server chips down everyone's Throat and it backfired BIG TIME now AMD is on the VERGE OF DESTRUCTION!!!!!jml12https://www.blogger.com/profile/16629044294592922864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-4031007946338165982013-07-01T21:42:16.165-07:002013-07-01T21:42:16.165-07:00you sure?
I'm certain that valve's source ...you sure?<br />I'm certain that valve's source engine uses openGL (how else has it been ported to linux and mac?) and it scales BETTER for multi-GPU than most directX games I have...<br /><br />Older games...<br /><br />Seriously, what OLD games do you have that can tax even weak modern processors?<br />anything older than 10 years should be able to run on the most mediocre system of today, regardless of who designed the chips. (you will have to run half of them in compatibility mode, but still..)<br /><br />There is a reason that opterons are used in supercomputers. FX based modules drop their power consumption by a lot when they are clocked lower, letting you add more modules for equivalent power, giving you 1/2 the clock for 1/4 the power/core, letting you quadruple your core count, giving you twice the multi-threaded computer power for the same Watts. like you, companies that build supersomputers look for performance/watt. Unlike you, they like more cores because of how supercomputers run.<br /><br />Finally, AMD's GPUs are actually quite ridiculous on the power/performance scale.<br />The HD 7990 will wipe the floor in terms of compute power with any CPU, and will pretty well destroy NVIDIA cards as well, with the exception of their dedicated compute boards.Robots rockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392348280851835490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-31677283229631457242013-06-26T19:12:49.995-07:002013-06-26T19:12:49.995-07:00Dual graphics don't work very well on non DX-1...Dual graphics don't work very well on non DX-11 games and I run none of those. Yeah from a performance junkies point of view not from a performance per watt point of view from which they FAIL BADLY!!!! They really don't work well with older games that I like to run or Opengl games.jml12https://www.blogger.com/profile/16629044294592922864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-21743606127538331812013-06-26T19:10:44.246-07:002013-06-26T19:10:44.246-07:00Kabini is going to get quickly crushed by Intel ha...Kabini is going to get quickly crushed by Intel haswell. Kabini may be cheaper but NOT BY ENOUGH!!!!!jml12https://www.blogger.com/profile/16629044294592922864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-54703184174772049162013-06-26T19:08:46.414-07:002013-06-26T19:08:46.414-07:00I care about performance per watt and power envelo...I care about performance per watt and power envelope and AMD FAILS AT BOTH OF THEM BADLY!!!!jml12https://www.blogger.com/profile/16629044294592922864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-87455052668296275032013-06-26T19:08:03.730-07:002013-06-26T19:08:03.730-07:00Sorry that's NOT IMPRESSIVE because Trinity ha...Sorry that's NOT IMPRESSIVE because Trinity has a 19 watt solution that could do that as well. AMD richland IS NOTHING MORE than a slightly higher clocked lower battery life version of trinity.jml12https://www.blogger.com/profile/16629044294592922864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-58925516106093497932013-06-26T19:06:32.044-07:002013-06-26T19:06:32.044-07:00AMD's Kabini sucks when compared to Intel'...AMD's Kabini sucks when compared to Intel's ALMIGHTY HASWELL!!!! Intel haswell even uses less power. But neither can play games on the highest settings so what AMD STILL LOSES FATAL K.O.!!!jml12https://www.blogger.com/profile/16629044294592922864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-67540722001383777012013-06-26T17:34:32.227-07:002013-06-26T17:34:32.227-07:00The only difference to justify the price is the cp...The only difference to justify the price is the cpu, not the gpu as intel has not really proved they can even keep up with richland in terms of gpu in ultrathins. I still am looking forward to dual graphics ultrathins.. as they will meet the minimum standard for desktop replacement for gaming. hjhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02248788383498582802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-19880866028961038762013-06-26T17:31:09.402-07:002013-06-26T17:31:09.402-07:00Kabini was designed to combat celeron/pentium not ...Kabini was designed to combat celeron/pentium not haswell ulv, which it will do very well i think. hjhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02248788383498582802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-74754248309877055402013-06-26T17:29:41.903-07:002013-06-26T17:29:41.903-07:00So if all you care about is envelope prove me wron...So if all you care about is envelope prove me wronghjhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02248788383498582802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-39728469596579602622013-06-26T17:29:29.785-07:002013-06-26T17:29:29.785-07:00If your going to want to game on a 25W envelope AM...If your going to want to game on a 25W envelope AMD crushes intel period...<br /><br />Richland ulv is equal to 7660g Trinity Flagship plus or minus error<br /><br /> hjhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02248788383498582802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-72016875777667747042013-06-26T17:28:27.891-07:002013-06-26T17:28:27.891-07:00They both lose in the sense that humans cant use a...They both lose in the sense that humans cant use a cheap device to replace their desktop needs any time soon. It has nothing to do with the watt envelope dummy, that number only relates to battery life or overall system power usage .. which you continue to ignore and which is pretty hilarious. hjhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02248788383498582802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-58771509247222010542013-06-26T17:25:59.156-07:002013-06-26T17:25:59.156-07:00You're Wrong it DOES MATTER. You're just s...You're Wrong it DOES MATTER. You're just saying that because AMD has lost you can't find anything other than "price" that they are good at. Intel's HD5000 is 3 TIMES FASTER than 15 watt Kabini.jml12https://www.blogger.com/profile/16629044294592922864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-27200636214106461532013-06-26T17:24:21.457-07:002013-06-26T17:24:21.457-07:00That may be but AMD has already lost the ultra-thi...That may be but AMD has already lost the ultra-thin war by not being able to keep up with ARM!!!!jml12https://www.blogger.com/profile/16629044294592922864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-63554371604400534352013-06-26T17:23:53.158-07:002013-06-26T17:23:53.158-07:00Again you proove to the whole world you do absolut...Again you proove to the whole world you do absolutley no research haha.. look at the anandtech reviews i links dummy, go to game section or 3dmark and compare, they are both identical in the sense that they cant run any modern game smoothly period, and that they can run older gen games smoothly. hjhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02248788383498582802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-54731015592547722322013-06-26T17:23:19.875-07:002013-06-26T17:23:19.875-07:00Wrong Intel is much better on track because now th...Wrong Intel is much better on track because now they can compete with ARM.jml12https://www.blogger.com/profile/16629044294592922864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5919462438366118945.post-15810444405468939352013-06-26T17:22:40.245-07:002013-06-26T17:22:40.245-07:00Wow you really are an IDIOT!!!!! Your missing some...Wow you really are an IDIOT!!!!! Your missing something VERY important about the HD5000. It was meant to lower power consumption not increase performance. Wrong it isn't cheaper sorry. Intel gets much battery life and is a lot faster than Kabini but it is more expensive than AMD that is for sure.jml12https://www.blogger.com/profile/16629044294592922864noreply@blogger.com